[Siteselection] Anticipation Site Selection info

Colin Harris palatinate at googlemail.com
Thu Jul 23 07:54:32 PDT 2009

Many thanks Glenn

I have to say that you make some excellent points here. As you can
imagine, my main focus was on how we process the data, and I hadn't
really reflected on the precedents and problems that early access to
the voter list could create. Having thought about this a bit more, I
agree with your comments and that the right answer is to wait until
the count is completed.

I'd therefore like to focus if I may on specific questions around the
approach you have kindly explained.

1. If I understand correctly, you'll have validated as you go along,
so the data would be available as soon as the count is finished and
signed off. I can't see any reason preventing the release of the data
to us at that point - can you confirm that we will receive it then?

2. You'll also have it in electronic format - so we'll be receiving a
CSV/Excel file with the fields you describe? (including the extra two
fields for the vote by mail/in person split).

3. I'm sure that you can appreciate the value to us (and Warren!) of
receiving the data as early as possible so we can begin the
integration process. Do you have a view on when you will start the
count? I know that the desk closes at 6pm and in principle counting
commences immediately; and in an uncontested vote with prevalidated
ballots, the count should typically
take no more than an hour. It would be very helpful to us if the count
could occur as early as convenient after the desk is closed - that
will enable yourself and the counters to enjoy the evening later on,
and help us to be well prepared for the following day.

4. As an aside - do you think it would be possible for us to receive a
full extract of the name / address information for Montreal (not the
voters - this would be everyone) earlier in the convention? It's very
useful to see where our address doesn't match the one held by
Montreal, because people often are less vigilant in sending CoAs to
bids than to cons they are currently getting pubs from. Spotting these
anomalies will make it easier to investigate them and easier to merge
the voter data (by name and address match) later on when we do get it
from you.

5. Finally on the separation of the mail-in ballots - thanks for
letting us know the time, we'll check availability at our end for that
slot and let you know in the next couple of days who will be

Many thanks again for your considered response on this.


2009/7/23 Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer at gmail.com>:
> Hi, Colin.
> On the subject of data formats, Lea Farr (Registration) and Allison Hershey
> (my data/IT person) and I have settled on a format based on what the
> registration database supports.  The fields are:
> Class
> Number
> Last Name
> First Name
> Badge Name
> Address 1
> Address 2
> City
> State
> Postcode
> Country
> To which Site Selection will add two columns: mail-in and at-con to be used
> as check boxes.  Registration will provide Site Selection with the initial
> listing and then update deltas at regular intervals.  This should help you a
> great deal as it means that you will not need to merge any of our data
> together before merging it with yours.
> On the subject of when this data will be available, voter information is not
> validated in batches.  This sort of thing is what lead to the infamous 14
> hour site selection count.  Rather they are validated when they vote.
>  Despite this, the answer to your request must be no.  The Constitution says
> this:
>   4.1.3: The current Worldcon Committee shall administer the voting, collect
> the advance membership fees, and turn over those funds to the winning
> Committee before the end of the current Worldcon.
>   4.1.4: The site-selection voting totals shall be announced at the Business
> Meeting and published in the first or second Progress Report of the winning
> Committee, with the by-mail and at-convention votes distinguished.
> Thus, there is no Constitutional binding on the Site Selection administrator
> to produce the results you requested.  Further, there are two important
> reasons why your request must be declined.
>   1)  While part of the Site Selection Administrator's job is to ensure
> fairness among the bids, it is also their job to protect the voters and in
> particular, voter anonymity.  Assume, for example, that some Event occurred
> at the convention in which would have a significant impact on how people
> voted.  Knowing the day someone voted would allow you to determine which
> voters might have been swayed by this Event and which not, piercing the
> protection Administrators are supposed to provide.  In fact, I cannot see a
> legitimate use by a bid for this data at all and it will not be provided by
> Anticipation.  You do have the right to know how many people voted each day
> and aggregate, not individual, data will be given out.
>   2)  Assume this was a contested bid.  Then, the Administrator would have
> to provide this information daily to all of the bids.  In addition to being
> burdensome, all but one of the bids would have no use for this information
> at the end and really has no right to it.  Distributing it in this manner
> could quite possibly violate data privacy laws in many places.  It also sets
> a very bad precedent for future Administrators and I do not wish to place a
> future Administrator in the position of having to fight off attempts to give
> out this data to all of the bids because "They did it at Anticipation."
> Thus, all of the data will only be available to the winning bid after the
> count is completed.  It will be sorted alphabetically to anonymize voting
> order.
> Additionally, as your bid has insisted on, you will need to provide an
> observer while I separate the mail-in ballots.  The time and date for this
> will be 2100 hours on August 4th in my room at the Delta.  Please be prompt
> as the NASFiC representative will be coming in after you.  As I do not know
> my room number yet, I give you my cell phone number (562-305-2920) which
> will work in Canada.   Please feel free to have your representative call me
> after 1900 to find out where my room is.
> Best,
> Glenn Glazer
> Site Selection Administrator
> Anticipation

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